VCR Bill

If you do the training day in the new year at F & O that will be your three

worth a go, I know thats why im doing the sat befour hurgen if I can get it off, and the ones befour the training day and varsity..

what just incase think Che will have done 3 come Dec as he did the Vietnam day

RSOV have just tightened up their shipping requirements - you now need to be UKARA site registered and provide evidence of this before they will ship. A friend of mine just got asked for this when he tried to buy gun.

That doesn't surprise me in the least HB.

And, Helga, if I can make the TD that will almost certainly be me sorted re the registration issue - so even more incentive to come along.

Will see how things pan out small person wise over the next few weeks -

Interesting article :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7047649.stm

Finally someone is standing up and saying "erm yeah continually banning stuff isn't the answer".

I doubt politicians would take much notice with their eye on the ballot box. Ban it, ban it all - be seen to be doing something, no matter how ineffectual!

Probably why I gave up voting some time ago. It makes very little difference

Probably why I gave up voting some time ago. It makes very little difference

Then I guess you have no right to complain, having opted out of the democratic process... Voting does more good than not voting - if the air stinks, you don't stop breathing do ya?

Anyway, as per the great speech in They Died With Their Boots On 'we have lived here as brothers and politics have had no place'

Possibly true but if by turning up and voting makes a blind bit of difference to the topics that matter to you or (in the current political system) who actually ends up in power, it makes you wonder if its worth it.

A recent article (I forget where) stated that in a general election its only the votes of about 8,000 people that actually make the difference. Everyone else is either stuck in their ways or stuck in a dedicated political seat. Plus in the event of your MP getting a seat in parliment it doesnt mean that they'll actually listen to your views or comments (despite what they may say on the campaign trail) or that it will make a blind bit of difference to what the government wants to do (the Iraq war was a prime example).

<steps off soap box... again >

I haven`t voted for years, it wouldn`t change anything if I did. And if I was going to put someone into a job where they needed no qualifications and get paid 64k a year for it...I`d put myself up for it not some tit I know nothing about.

And of course, you do have that option don't you? Yet another great thing about living in a democracy, albeit an imperfect one. You have every right to form your own political party, or simply put yourself forward as an independent -

And of course, you do have that option don't you? Yet another great thing about living in a democracy, albeit an imperfect one. You have every right to form your own political party, or simply put yourself forward as an independent -

I was under the impression that potential parliamentary candidates needed to put up some form of bond (£1500), the rules may have changed in recent years? Personally I have never had that sort of money to throw around

Haven't voted for fuck all since 1997 .... a choice of two is a false dichotomy IMHO . Would consider re registering for a PR style election or if they included "none of the above" on the ballot form . Both sides are as self serving as each other , and I refuse to endores the "least worst" under the charade of having a choice. It's the system that's wrong , voting will not change that .

PS I'm surpised we've not have a post from Oddball on this subject yet

I vote because I can.

PS I'm surpised we've not have a post from Oddball on this subject yet

i think his tinfoil hat's slipped over his eyes and he's currently running around his house blaming the CIA for having him blinded for revealing the 'truth'

Over the (many) years I've been voting I've voted for all flavours and even voted like you are supposed to (for the candidate, not the party).

It's something I think I should do and to not vote means you have only yourself to blame if things don't go the way you want to. Millions of people not voting give those who do the ultimate choice.

Of course the system is far from perfect and there is a big problem with disenchantment, disinterest, disillusionment, disgust and many other words beginning with D.

I suspect I won't ever be completely happy until Jeremy Clarkson runs for PM.

PS and somewhat off-topic. Fantastic moment on TV News yesterday. At the end of G Brown's press conference the press stood up and started walking out before the PM had collected his notes and left the room. Spoke volumes to me and was quite a splendid thing.

Over the (many) years I've been voting I've voted for all flavours and even voted like you are supposed to (for the candidate, not the party).

It's something I think I should do and to not vote means you have only yourself to blame if things don't go the way you want to. .Millions of people not voting give those who do the ultimate choice

Of course the system is far from perfect and there is a big problem with disenchantment, disinterest, disillusionment, disgust and many other words beginning with D.

I suspect I won't ever be completely happy until Jeremy Clarkson runs for PM.

PS and somewhat off-topic. Fantastic moment on TV News yesterday. At the end of G Brown's press conference the press stood up and started walking out before the PM had collected his notes and left the room. Spoke volumes to me and was quite a splendid thing.

This is the same jaundiced tosh I hear time and time again . I don't vote for the Police, my local school's headmaster or the my doctor, does this de facto give me no right to criticise their functions ? In fact by voting for a political party I am legitimising the choice I am lumbered with . Bit like a turkey given a choice of voting for Xmas or Thanksgiving . As even Ken Livingstone pointed out in the title to his book , if voting changed anything they'd abolish it . A large number of people would vote ot bring back hanging or expel all immigrants, but you'll never see that appear on a party manifesto . (BTW I'm not advocating either of the above, just pointing out that what the people want our current system of "democracy" fails to even consider)

In so many seats the majority is such that any vote against the encumbant is wasting your time . The parties know this and gerry mander the boundaries to keep it so , countryside for Tory, inner city foir Labour
When the minority parties poll so much of the total vote how comes they have so little power ? The choice we are given as voters is laughable , I defy anyone to give me ten major diffences between Labour and Conservative without having to do some real research .

Even the VCR bill, the original subject of this thread shows how little HMG takes any fecking notice of the populace.....anyonehear any mention of it in the 2005 election ....nope ..it was all tales about who Blunkett was shagging and when Blair would go .

It's all bollox, and the system unwittingley or by design keeps it all rolling along without serious challenge. TBH thats why I sometimes admoire the French, when they get pissed off they let the Government know , and it is generally listened to . Here we just put extra powers on the Police to stop dissent .

Build an extra room in the Bunker Oddball, I maybe joining you shortly .

I agree don't think I'm sharing a bunker with you and oddball though

I think his tinfoil hat's slipped over his eyes and he's currently running around his house blaming the CIA for having him blinded for revealing the 'truth'

Genius